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foxfan · 2006-09-20, 12:47 AM

I don't know about specific frequencies, but in terms of physical channel numbers:

Channel 13: WVNY-DT (ABC)
Channel 14: WPTZ-DT (NBC)
Channel 19: CBFT-DT (SRC)
Channel 20: CBMT-DT (CBC)
Channel 32: WETK-DT (PBS)
Channel 38: WCFE-DT (PBS)
Channel 43: WFFF-DT (FOX/CW)
Channel 53: WCAX-DT (CBS) (will move to channel 22 in 2009)

To find the frequencies, use this calculator:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/f...ml#TVFREQUENCY

(note that the U.S. stations other than WCFE are not currently on-the-air but should be within the next 2-4 weeks)

Astralmind · 2006-09-20, 07:38 AM

Thanks for the tips Foxfan. I was able to randomly pull CBC DTV on freq 507250 khz. Strenght 23 % Qual 100 %. Very watchable. However, this channel cameup as 19 in the US list and was no where to be found in the Canadian one (weird, the software is crap). Logically, I should be able to tune SRC french easily since CBC usually has a weaker Signal and comes from a similar place. Unfortunately, running a full scan with the software finds no signal at all (not even the CBC one I found by randomly trying channels, manually !).

That's why I guess that with the exact frequencies, I should be able to tune in.

Thanks again

gmd · 2006-09-27, 08:01 PM

I just hope that one day, people closer to Ottawa can get those (there are currently conflicts on channels 13, 14, 32, 43 with analog stations, and 22 for digital stations).

-gmd

montrealmountain · 2006-09-29, 03:51 PM

I am receiving all with a fair strength (70%+)... but all have black screen, no pix.... I know that the HDTV (the -5) is suppoosed to be working... is anyone getting a real picture on any of their channels? As of 3PM today.. they were all black.

distox · 2006-09-29, 04:44 PM

I am getting the same thing, 75% signal strenth and black picture with no audio on all channels on my 9200.

montrealmountain · 2006-09-29, 05:02 PM

I think this is a temporary glitch... according to the person I spoke with at VETV, she though all was OK, but their engineeers were not in today... they are supposed to get back to me on Monday. Only 2 of these 5 channels will be active in the near future....

WatchmaN · 2006-09-29, 06:12 PM

Same here good signal but no sound, but i don't get those black pictures.

yipikyer · 2006-09-30, 12:11 PM

A call is already placed at WETK. We'll know monday. Hopefully that's just a PSIP problem!!

I'll keep you posted.
Have a nice weekend.

Astralmind · 2006-10-01, 11:12 PM

The answer may seem obvious but right now, (living in MOntreal) I can get a great signal for both CBC and SRC DTV with my current indoor crappy RC antenna. However, the antenna needs to be in a perfect spot and when I say perfect, I mean half an inch means the signal drops dead !

In other words, with my current setup, I can get 100 % quality and minimal strenght (15 %-30 %) if the antenna is in a very particular position (and a different one for each channel !). I also noticed that touching the base (the plastic base, not the UHF ring) of the antenna makes a huge difference in signal strength and quality.

Would a Silver Sensor like antenna help me ? or maybe an amp ? I know the tuner I alright and also know that it is possible for me to get at least those 2 channel (and fairly well).. the problem is making it easier.

026163 · 2006-10-01, 11:36 PM

aren't the PBS stations within reach from your area?
it would make sense then to get an antenna capable of recieving them, along with those other American stations that are coming up in Burlington. This would probably be an antenna like the 4221 or 4228 depending on your location.

Astralmind · 2006-10-02, 07:35 AM

You're right and I wouldn't mind spending the 100 $ for a CM4228 if it would really fix all my problems. The thing is, they are not easy to find in Montreal so before I go on a hunt, I'd rather be 100 % that my antenna is the problem (which I really think it is).

The thing is, PBS and all the american stations are in a completely opposite direction from CBC and SRC. Would a CM4228 facing south still be able to catch channel coming from North East ? I don't have the technical skills and the time/money to invest on a rotor etc..

Thanks.

026163 · 2006-10-02, 08:51 AM

hmm this is a situation where usually you do need to get a rotor to get all stations, mainly since you don't have all these high powered stations that can be recieved from the sides, rear of a bigger antenna.

perhaps you could describe the location of where your antenna will be going, ie height, what obstacles will be blocking any signals between the transmitters, distance from the transmitters, or maybe you could even post some pictures.

You could hope that in the right spot, the closer CBC and SRC digital would be picked up on the back of an antenna like the 4228, but thats certainly not guaranteed.

ladylay · 2006-10-02, 10:26 AM

Hi everyone,

I just bought an ATSC tuner for my first gen Sony lcdtv. Should receive it thursday. My location is 45N.35, 73W.33. Duplex home ( rent), top floor. Clear view to South- Southeast. Landlord does NOT allow me to install outdoor antenna. Said he would bring it down if I do install one. On the other hand, a few years ago, I found out the windows glass was blocking completely dish signal if I tried to use a dish on tripod inside.

Would a silver sensor or any better indoor antenna allow me to receive DT stations from Mount Mansfied, or will I be limited to local ( CBC, SRC, TVA,etc.)?

I'm with Bell ExpressVu SD but don't want to pay for their heavily compressed HD signal and overpriced mpeg-2 receiver. Landlord reluctantly allowed dish installation but only if it was not visible from the street, so it's far back on the roof.
thanks
bernard
PS: excuse my so-so english.

stampeder · 2006-10-02, 12:09 PM

Hi Bernard and welcome here - your English is fine. I don't think an indoor antenna even as good as a ZSS (or clone) will help you with the U.S. stations, but you will get SRC-HD and CBC-HD. Hopefully other people here can confirm or clarify that.

Does anyone know if TVA has plans to go digital any time?

stampeder · 2006-10-02, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 026163

You could hope that in the right spot, the closer CBC and SRC digital would be picked up on the back of an antenna like the 4228, but thats certainly not guaranteed.

That's what I was thinking too, but it would take real world testing at the exact location to see if it works. The CM4228 has some fairly generous side and rear lobes so it is theoretically possible that you could aim it at Mt. Mansfield and get SRC and CBC through the back door.

2006-09-29, 03:51 PM	#64
montrealmountain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ste. Dorothee Posts: 65	Vermont Digital Channels I am receiving all with a fair strength (70%+)... but all have black screen, no pix.... I know that the HDTV (the -5) is suppoosed to be working... is anyone getting a real picture on any of their channels? As of 3PM today.. they were all black.

2006-09-29, 04:44 PM	#65
distox Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 217	I am getting the same thing, 75% signal strenth and black picture with no audio on all channels on my 9200. __________________ Home is where the Theatre is!

2006-10-01, 11:12 PM	#69
Astralmind Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	Would a better antenna help ? The answer may seem obvious but right now, (living in MOntreal) I can get a great signal for both CBC and SRC DTV with my current indoor crappy RC antenna. However, the antenna needs to be in a perfect spot and when I say perfect, I mean half an inch means the signal drops dead ! In other words, with my current setup, I can get 100 % quality and minimal strenght (15 %-30 %) if the antenna is in a very particular position (and a different one for each channel !). I also noticed that touching the base (the plastic base, not the UHF ring) of the antenna makes a huge difference in signal strength and quality. Would a Silver Sensor like antenna help me ? or maybe an amp ? I know the tuner I alright and also know that it is possible for me to get at least those 2 channel (and fairly well).. the problem is making it easier.

2006-10-02, 10:26 AM	#73
ladylay Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 9	New to OTA in Montreal Hi everyone, I just bought an ATSC tuner for my first gen Sony lcdtv. Should receive it thursday. My location is 45N.35, 73W.33. Duplex home ( rent), top floor. Clear view to South- Southeast. Landlord does NOT allow me to install outdoor antenna. Said he would bring it down if I do install one. On the other hand, a few years ago, I found out the windows glass was blocking completely dish signal if I tried to use a dish on tripod inside. Would a silver sensor or any better indoor antenna allow me to receive DT stations from Mount Mansfied, or will I be limited to local ( CBC, SRC, TVA,etc.)? I'm with Bell ExpressVu SD but don't want to pay for their heavily compressed HD signal and overpriced mpeg-2 receiver. Landlord reluctantly allowed dish installation but only if it was not visible from the street, so it's far back on the roof. thanks bernard PS: excuse my so-so english.

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2006-09-20, 12:47 AM	#61
foxfan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Montreal/Ottawa Posts: 1,022	I don't know about specific frequencies, but in terms of physical channel numbers: Channel 13: WVNY-DT (ABC) Channel 14: WPTZ-DT (NBC) Channel 19: CBFT-DT (SRC) Channel 20: CBMT-DT (CBC) Channel 32: WETK-DT (PBS) Channel 38: WCFE-DT (PBS) Channel 43: WFFF-DT (FOX/CW) Channel 53: WCAX-DT (CBS) (will move to channel 22 in 2009) To find the frequencies, use this calculator: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/f...ml#TVFREQUENCY (note that the U.S. stations other than WCFE are not currently on-the-air but should be within the next 2-4 weeks)

2006-09-20, 07:38 AM	#62
Astralmind Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	Thanks for the tips Foxfan. I was able to randomly pull CBC DTV on freq 507250 khz. Strenght 23 % Qual 100 %. Very watchable. However, this channel cameup as 19 in the US list and was no where to be found in the Canadian one (weird, the software is crap). Logically, I should be able to tune SRC french easily since CBC usually has a weaker Signal and comes from a similar place. Unfortunately, running a full scan with the software finds no signal at all (not even the CBC one I found by randomly trying channels, manually !). That's why I guess that with the exact frequencies, I should be able to tune in. Thanks again

2006-09-27, 08:01 PM	#63
gmd Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gloucester, ON Posts: 786	I just hope that one day, people closer to Ottawa can get those (there are currently conflicts on channels 13, 14, 32, 43 with analog stations, and 22 for digital stations). -gmd

2006-09-29, 05:02 PM	#66
montrealmountain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ste. Dorothee Posts: 65	I think this is a temporary glitch... according to the person I spoke with at VETV, she though all was OK, but their engineeers were not in today... they are supposed to get back to me on Monday. Only 2 of these 5 channels will be active in the near future....

2006-09-29, 06:12 PM	#67
WatchmaN Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: St-Eustache Posts: 133	Same here good signal but no sound, but i don't get those black pictures.

2006-09-30, 12:11 PM	#68
yipikyer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 172	A call is already placed at WETK. We'll know monday. Hopefully that's just a PSIP problem!! I'll keep you posted. Have a nice weekend.

2006-10-01, 11:36 PM	#70
026163 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Downtown Vancouver Posts: 788	aren't the PBS stations within reach from your area? it would make sense then to get an antenna capable of recieving them, along with those other American stations that are coming up in Burlington. This would probably be an antenna like the 4221 or 4228 depending on your location.

2006-10-02, 07:35 AM	#71
Astralmind Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	You're right and I wouldn't mind spending the 100 $ for a CM4228 if it would really fix all my problems. The thing is, they are not easy to find in Montreal so before I go on a hunt, I'd rather be 100 % that my antenna is the problem (which I really think it is). The thing is, PBS and all the american stations are in a completely opposite direction from CBC and SRC. Would a CM4228 facing south still be able to catch channel coming from North East ? I don't have the technical skills and the time/money to invest on a rotor etc.. Thanks.

2006-10-02, 08:51 AM	#72
026163 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Downtown Vancouver Posts: 788	hmm this is a situation where usually you do need to get a rotor to get all stations, mainly since you don't have all these high powered stations that can be recieved from the sides, rear of a bigger antenna. perhaps you could describe the location of where your antenna will be going, ie height, what obstacles will be blocking any signals between the transmitters, distance from the transmitters, or maybe you could even post some pictures. You could hope that in the right spot, the closer CBC and SRC digital would be picked up on the back of an antenna like the 4228, but thats certainly not guaranteed.

2006-10-02, 12:09 PM	#74
stampeder OTA Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Delta, BC (96Av x 116St) Posts: 23,338	Hi Bernard and welcome here - your English is fine. I don't think an indoor antenna even as good as a ZSS (or clone) will help you with the U.S. stations, but you will get SRC-HD and CBC-HD. Hopefully other people here can confirm or clarify that. Does anyone know if TVA has plans to go digital any time?