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Old 2006-01-04, 05:00 AM   #61
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Yes, when I have been recording DD2.1 in these 'sightings' it was a reflection of my receiver that indicates which channels it thinks it's receiving. It could be influenced by the STB (Motorola DCT-6412, Pioneer Passport)

I find that most typical channels show up as 'L & R' (Digital) but most stereo movies on MC-HD it shows 'L & R & Sub (Digital)' I was a bit puzzled about the Sub channel appearing as distinct too. I don't think I have any matrix or audio effects turned on with the STB settings.

Quote possibly DD2.0 is the more accurate label?
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Old 2006-01-04, 12:26 PM   #62
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Techinically it's not 2.1, it's 2 front, 1 rear, 0 sub. On my receiver it shows up as 2/1.0, while 5.1 says 3/2.1.
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Old 2006-01-04, 09:09 PM   #63
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Techinically it's not 2.1, it's 2 front, 1 rear, 0 sub. On my receiver it shows up as 2/1.0, while 5.1 says 3/2.1.
Thanks Jesse, I totally missed the boat on that. Checking my documentation the receiver is telling me "S means monaul surround channel". For some dumb reason I'd always thought it was for sub, since there are already indicators for Left, Right and Back surround.
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Old 2006-01-04, 09:14 PM   #64
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Show: Article 99
Studio: Orion
Channel: Movie Central HD
Audio: Dolby 2.1 (stereo + surround)
Notes: Older movie, from 1992. IMDB lists it curiously with audio format 'Dolby SR'. Maybe that's 'Dolby Surround', one of those formats that came before Dolby Digital but after stereo?
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Old 2006-01-05, 02:49 AM   #65
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Show: Sopranos
Studio: Brad Grey/Chase/Warner/HBO
Channel: Movie Central HD
Audio: DD5.1
Notes: based on Season 6, Ep 8 'Marco Polo'


Show: Mean Girls
Studio: Paramount
Channel: Movie Central HD
Audio: DD5.1
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Old 2006-01-05, 10:59 AM   #66
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I exchanged a few e-mails with my senior contact at Astral (TMN-HD). These quotes were approved directly by him, so there's no "heresay". Hope this clarifies a few things:

I asked him 5 questions and these are his responses.

1. Is my understanding about your purchasing philosophy always asking for DD5.1 and OAR correct?

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Yes our HD specs call for OAR and 5.1 audio. Unfortunately these are not always available for PayTV masters. If they are available to us, we take them. There are a high number of full frame masters coming through.
2. Although there are certainly more DD5.1 movies than years ago, what reasons can you provide for many of the movies still not being DD5.1. Are some studios "holding back" or is this an "across" the board issue with most US studios (HBO/Showtime excepted since we seem to get DD5.1 on almost al lthe programming they provide you).

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I think there is only one studio now that is holding back on 5.1 audio, so this really is not the issue. In a lot cases the 5.1 audio mix is simply not available for the broadcast master.
3. Is there any difference between what TMN and MC are able to "negotiate"for DD5.1/OAR?

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There is no difference. In fact our two programming departments collaborate on bringing the masters into Canada.
4. Is OAR a separate issue. Are OAR movies more difficult to get?

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OAR and 5.1 are separate issues. We are at the mercy of what the studio has made available for broadcast video distribution.
5. Any further clarification you’d like to add?

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There is no issue with getting HD and 5.1 audio today. In fact there never was an issue of getting both together, if they were available and the studio had given us HD rights. A few years ago some studios were reluctant to give us HD masters here in Canada (this is no longer the case). At that time (a few years ago) 5.1 audio tracks were generally not available to us and when they were, it was very expensive to get dubbed. So, in those early days as HD was just coming on the scene, we did not always pay for the 5.1 dub and concentrated on the high profile movies. For some time now we have always ordered 5.1 audio (if available), regardless of cost.
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Old 2006-01-05, 06:02 PM   #67
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This response is interesting but what is not explained here is the dearth of HD Movies on Viewers Choice PPV. In fact most of the movies are SD 4:3 aspect ratio.
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Old 2006-01-05, 06:44 PM   #68
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On Rogers there are two HDPPV channels (538, 539) in Toronto. There are usually not a lot of movies there... I don't check because they're on TMN-HD a few months later anyway.
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Movie: Big Fish
Studio: Columbia/Tristar/Sony
Channel: MCHD
Audio: Dolby Surround
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Old 2006-01-05, 08:58 PM   #70
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I exchanged a few e-mails with my senior contact at Astral (TMN-HD).
Great information. A couple of questions:

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Yes our HD specs call for OAR and 5.1 audio. Unfortunately these are not always available for PayTV masters. If they are available to us, we take them. There are a high number of full frame masters coming through.
What does he mean PayTV masters? Are we still talking about the main TMN/MC channels here or pay per view?

Also when he says a high number of full frame masters does he mean widescreen films fudged to 16:9, or does he mean 'full frame 4:3'?

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I think there is only one studio now that is holding back on 5.1 audio, so this really is not the issue. In a lot cases the 5.1 audio mix is simply not available for the broadcast master.
Can we assume this is Sony/Columbia/Tristar?

The only 2 major contempory films in our survey that are missing 5.1 are Hellboy and Big Fish, both apparently Sony/Columbia/Tristar.

If so, it must be inconsistent, since we have other S/C/T films airing with 5.1
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TMN is "pay TV". He's talking about TMN-HD and MC-HD, although PPV-HD could be included as well, since those movies air a few months later on TMN-HD.

Yes 2.35:1 movies in 16:9 format.

TMN have only ever shown one 4:3 movie (other than Elephant which was 4:3 OAR) and that was ordered that way by mistake (Confidence). All other movies have been 16:9 or 2.35:1 and will be so in the future, unless there is an "error". (See post 47 for "confidence")

The offending studio may be inconsistent... Sony has certainly been at the forefront lately of DRM concerns.
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Can we assume this is Sony/Columbia/Tristar?
But Hitch was 5.1....who knows...
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