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How much did Astral receive in funding from that same fund in the same year ?
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Actually, that's not the real question. They have not contributed 170M to that Media Fund. They have invested this much into their Canadian operations.
How much did they contribute to this Media Fund, and how much did they receive from other divisions from this same Fund ? They will not mention these numbers. Netflix contributes the same way to this Canadian Content concept by licensing rights the same way Astral does in their movie channels. Except Astral put more money out producing their own shows, but those benefit from this Media Fund. |
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I think Netflix should be held accountable for the same Canadian content standards as CTV and Global... that is, 0.0001 percent of their programming lineup.
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Hmm. Very sneaky. Astral, etc., can fund its Canadian programming from Independent producers, the Canadian Media Fund (up to one third, pre 2004), etc., and then tell us how wonderful they are. This looks more like a money-making scheme, than a burden on its bottom line.
All the broadcasters can put a certain percentage of the funding they receive into Canadian programming and then make it seem like everything came from their own pockets. They have so many "charitable" organizations created to give away money to help fund Canadian productions, that it's impossible to figure out where all the money is coming from. What percentage comes from the pockets of Astral, Rogers and the gang, and what percentage comes from all the funding that they get. Very clever. If Netflix is also required to help fund Canadian productions, it should at least be able to get all of its money back, just like Astral and the gang probably are (in fact, I'd be shocked if they don't make even more money out of this nonsensical shell game). I'm not sure if I'd call CanCon a money laundering scheme, but whatever is going on, it doesn't look like it's on the level. You can take perhaps 2 million from one fund, 1 million from another, get Independent producers to fund a large portion of your own productions, and then you in turn give them cash back from the various "charitable" media funds (that they qualify for) that you created to make your organization look like it's saving our Canadian culture. It appears to be a Can con job. http://www.friends.ca/news-item/7867 [Canadian Television Fund Increases Program Funding for 2009-2010] http://www.actionplan.gc.ca/initiati...itiativeID=132 Quote:
http://www.academy.ca/events/audio/C...CCTToronto.pdf Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Television_Fund Quote:
----------- http://www.astral.com/assets/c5f312c...DA_Q2_2011.pdf Quote:
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Astral could avoid many of these costs by simply starting their own OTT service similar to Netflix or iTunes. They could also license their content to Netflix. That would also be a source of added revenue. As long as Canadian broadcasters use the CRTC as a crutch, they will be subject to costly CRTC regulations and dependent on consumer subsidies to be profitable.
I see the Canadian Television Fund as little more than a failing Ponzi scheme. The initial promise of high quality Canadian cultural content is seldom realized while mediocre programming dependent on consumer financed cultural welfare is common. Then there is the undue enrichment of Canadian broadcasters and CRTC hangers on at consumer expense. There is more high quality programming produced in Canada by privately funded (US) production companies than by the CTF, yet the CRTC continues to pump billions of dollars into the corrupt and failing CTF scheme. It's time to return program funding to the correct source. That is private sources such as Canadian broadcasters and film distributors.
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Great post Bob. Well said.
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I would think that most of their product is licensed from the studios and that Astral would have no sub-license rights.
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I agree. However, there is a fair amount of content that is owned by Astral and other Canadian broadcasters. That content is often streamed, either for free or tied to a subscription to the service through a BDU. There is no reason why that content could not be streamed through an OTT service similar to Netflix, Boxee or Hulu.
Then there is the offshore content that is not streamed due to it being blocked by Canadian broadcasters that own exclusive Canadian rights. They may not be able to sub-license it but could negotiate for streaming rights through their own OTT service.
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Apparently, according to two anonymous insiders, Netflix Canada and other online services will NOT be regulated by the CRTC.
If this turns out to be fact, it still doesn't mean that the underground organization known simply as CMM (Canadian Media Mafia) will not seek other means to rid itself of the Netflix invasion into Canada. Trust no one. ![]() http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...in-canada.html Quote:
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If true, then its a sad day.
For the reasons, I articulated here and several subsequent posts, I believe the government should apply its rules fairly to all competitors. Netflix and Astral are competitors and should be subject to the same business rules. Whether folks hate Bell or Astral or Rogers is irrelevant to this discussion. It's one of fairness. The same rules should apply to all business's and competitors in this country. If the government forced Harvey's or Swiss Chalet (Canadian owned companies) to hire more staff, add extra washrooms, provide more parking spaces, and serve certain Canadian foods but did not require the same of MacDonalds (an American company) doing business in this country, would we consider that fair?
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Netflix is entirely owned and operated outside of Canadian jurisdiction. They don't have to abide by any laws or regulations. Once they have an official business presence in Canada, THEN the Canadian government can go after them.
But considering how the Canadian government has behaved in this matter, I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix NEVER sets foot in this country. |
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They are not subject to Canadian laws in any way- as it should be. If the CRTC attempted to regulate a business outside of Canada, there's no way it would hold up in court. The CRTC finally gets this. Canadian broadcast law doesn't apply in this space. This is the new world. |
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No, but stations made to serve the Canadian market should, and those that operate from Canada probably should also.
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All for-pay music services (e.g., Rdio) are made to serve the Canadian market as they have to observe regional restrictions.
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