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renegade73 · 2011-08-19, 02:52 PM

OttawaGuy999, I am in Centretown so really only a few km from you. On the ground floor with a RadioShack omni antenna (which I believe is really poor), I am receiving OMNI1 on 27 very well and CITY on 17 cuts in and out. By Sept. 1, OMNI2 20, CHCH 22, CTS 42 and CTV2 on 43 should all have good signals into your location. I find if you are using a poor antenna in the downtown area, positioning is important. Because of multipath issues, it doesn't seem to matter as much whether you are close to a window but just finding the right spot where the signals are strongest. A better, directional antenna overcomes this problem to some extent. I will be buying one soon!

flavoie · 2011-08-19, 03:10 PM

OttawaGuy999, you are definitely right, these antennas are UHF only. The HC signals you have trouble with are UHF only. To get VHF indoors, you'd want rabbit ears. Combine the rabbit ears & a UHF antenna with a UVSJ, or using a dual input preamp like the cm7778 or cm7777. You seem to be getting good signals from CF, so hopefully you'll get good VHF coverage for CTV & SRC. Global is a completely different problem at channel 6, everybody's got trouble with it anyways. Anyhow, rabbit ears is also how you'd get Global.

ottme2 · 2011-08-19, 03:15 PM

Well I have to say I am disappointed and surprised by not able to get GLOBAL OTA signal.

I received both CBC channel, both OMNI channels, SUNTV, CITY-TY and even all three WNPI later on during the evening.

But for some strange reason I get no signal from GLOBAL, so I hope the team from GLOBAL make some changes so we can all get this signal.

flavoie · 2011-08-19, 03:17 PM

ottme2, what's your setup ? (antenna, antenna location (indoor, outdoor, attic), house location) Did you contact Global to let them know ?

ottme2 · 2011-08-19, 04:58 PM

I have an outdoor antenna and I am not sure what kind it is. I live in the Orleans (Avalon) area and my antenna is facing southwest.

My signal strength is pretty good, even on both OMNI channels, but nothing from GLOBAL.

charettepa · 2011-08-19, 05:09 PM

With the current tropo weather conditions i am not getting either of the 2 omni
Once the tropo change goes to normal i have omni again
But i am getting global
For global you musthave a vhf lo
The element should be 34" on each side
So about 68 - 70 " total

flavoie · 2011-08-19, 05:21 PM

Ottme2, what does the antenna look like ?

Yroc · 2011-08-19, 05:57 PM

Is the Delhi VIP-302SR considered good all around VHF antenna for attic mount? I ask as I wish to have something that covers Global as well as those that may arise in the future.

charettepa · 2011-08-19, 06:13 PM

flavoie has a 302
its in his attic and does not pull in global
it seems that at 3kw
its not enoughto penetrate the roof
for now it needs to be outside i think

i have been calling global every day to complain about low power
others are too

mike infinity · 2011-08-19, 06:24 PM

I receive the following ALL the time:

WNPI (x3)
WCFE (x3)
28.1 (FOX)
28.2 (CBS HD)
CBC HD (French and english)
OMNI
CITY
SUN
TVO
27.1 (CFMTDTR)
I even get 50.1 and 50.2 a good deal of the time and I have seen on rare occasions 7.1 and 2.1 from watertown.

I have great elevation at the top of beacon hill with a cm4228 on the roof and CM7777.

No joy on Global. Seems like they are transmitting with the equal of a fisher price walkie talkie.

I know the CM4228 is not great for VHF...but are these guys for real?

I spent a few hours playing with the rabbit ears today...still no dice. Oddly, I get better reception with them from the bottom floor of my house vs on the roof.

Could someone post a diagram on how to set them up properly?

charettepa · 2011-08-19, 06:29 PM

they should be 34.5" per side
perpendicular to the tower

becks · 2011-08-19, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yroc

Is the Delhi VIP-302SR considered good all around VHF antenna for attic mount? I ask as I wish to have something that covers Global as well as those that may arise in the future.

I have a 302 which was attic mounted but I decided to roof mount it to get 7.1, 7.2 and I get Global on the back side at 90%. Wish I would of left it in the attic until after Global went live to see if it would get a lock on it

Yroc · 2011-08-19, 06:41 PM

Charettepa, I don't think I will have an issue as my CM will pull in 6.1 if I re-direct it toward CF instead of directing it to HC.

The backside of my CM is pulling 6.1 however its pixel hell.

charettepa · 2011-08-19, 07:00 PM

nice. wish it was that good for me in orleans

flavoie · 2011-08-19, 07:54 PM

Yroc based on your report the 302 will help a lot.
Pointed at CF of course

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2011-08-19, 02:52 PM	#871
renegade73 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 43	OttawaGuy999, I am in Centretown so really only a few km from you. On the ground floor with a RadioShack omni antenna (which I believe is really poor), I am receiving OMNI1 on 27 very well and CITY on 17 cuts in and out. By Sept. 1, OMNI2 20, CHCH 22, CTS 42 and CTV2 on 43 should all have good signals into your location. I find if you are using a poor antenna in the downtown area, positioning is important. Because of multipath issues, it doesn't seem to matter as much whether you are close to a window but just finding the right spot where the signals are strongest. A better, directional antenna overcomes this problem to some extent. I will be buying one soon!

2011-08-19, 03:10 PM	#872
flavoie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orleans, ON Posts: 1,236	OttawaGuy999, you are definitely right, these antennas are UHF only. The HC signals you have trouble with are UHF only. To get VHF indoors, you'd want rabbit ears. Combine the rabbit ears & a UHF antenna with a UVSJ, or using a dual input preamp like the cm7778 or cm7777. You seem to be getting good signals from CF, so hopefully you'll get good VHF coverage for CTV & SRC. Global is a completely different problem at channel 6, everybody's got trouble with it anyways. Anyhow, rabbit ears is also how you'd get Global.

2011-08-19, 03:15 PM	#873
ottme2 Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10	Well I have to say I am disappointed and surprised by not able to get GLOBAL OTA signal. I received both CBC channel, both OMNI channels, SUNTV, CITY-TY and even all three WNPI later on during the evening. But for some strange reason I get no signal from GLOBAL, so I hope the team from GLOBAL make some changes so we can all get this signal.

2011-08-19, 03:17 PM	#874
flavoie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orleans, ON Posts: 1,236	ottme2, what's your setup ? (antenna, antenna location (indoor, outdoor, attic), house location) Did you contact Global to let them know ?

2011-08-19, 04:58 PM	#875
ottme2 Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10	I have an outdoor antenna and I am not sure what kind it is. I live in the Orleans (Avalon) area and my antenna is facing southwest. My signal strength is pretty good, even on both OMNI channels, but nothing from GLOBAL.

2011-08-19, 05:09 PM	#876
charettepa Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orleans, ON \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| CM4228 + VIP302 + CM7777 Posts: 177	With the current tropo weather conditions i am not getting either of the 2 omni Once the tropo change goes to normal i have omni again But i am getting global For global you musthave a vhf lo The element should be 34" on each side So about 68 - 70 " total

2011-08-19, 05:21 PM	#877
flavoie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orleans, ON Posts: 1,236	Ottme2, what does the antenna look like ?

2011-08-19, 05:57 PM	#878
Yroc Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ottawa (Overbrook) Posts: 153	Is the Delhi VIP-302SR considered good all around VHF antenna for attic mount? I ask as I wish to have something that covers Global as well as those that may arise in the future.

2011-08-19, 06:13 PM	#879
charettepa Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orleans, ON \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| CM4228 + VIP302 + CM7777 Posts: 177	flavoie has a 302 its in his attic and does not pull in global it seems that at 3kw its not enoughto penetrate the roof for now it needs to be outside i think i have been calling global every day to complain about low power others are too

2011-08-19, 06:24 PM	#880
mike infinity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 456	I receive the following ALL the time: WNPI (x3) WCFE (x3) 28.1 (FOX) 28.2 (CBS HD) CBC HD (French and english) OMNI CITY SUN TVO 27.1 (CFMTDTR) I even get 50.1 and 50.2 a good deal of the time and I have seen on rare occasions 7.1 and 2.1 from watertown. I have great elevation at the top of beacon hill with a cm4228 on the roof and CM7777. No joy on Global. Seems like they are transmitting with the equal of a fisher price walkie talkie. I know the CM4228 is not great for VHF...but are these guys for real? I spent a few hours playing with the rabbit ears today...still no dice. Oddly, I get better reception with them from the bottom floor of my house vs on the roof. Could someone post a diagram on how to set them up properly?

2011-08-19, 06:29 PM	#881
charettepa Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orleans, ON \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| CM4228 + VIP302 + CM7777 Posts: 177	they should be 34.5" per side perpendicular to the tower

2011-08-19, 06:41 PM	#883
Yroc Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ottawa (Overbrook) Posts: 153	Charettepa, I don't think I will have an issue as my CM will pull in 6.1 if I re-direct it toward CF instead of directing it to HC. The backside of my CM is pulling 6.1 however its pixel hell.

2011-08-19, 07:00 PM	#884
charettepa Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orleans, ON \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| CM4228 + VIP302 + CM7777 Posts: 177	nice. wish it was that good for me in orleans

2011-08-19, 07:54 PM	#885
flavoie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orleans, ON Posts: 1,236	Yroc based on your report the 302 will help a lot. Pointed at CF of course