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Old 2010-03-08, 12:07 PM   #1
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Default Competition pushes Rogers to increase Internet speeds in New Brunswick

If you don’t believe competition works in the digital services marketplace then consider the case of high speed internet service in Fredericton and Saint John, New Brunswick.

I think the CRTC needs to ban bundling and aggressively promote competition in this sector. Once again, This is clear evidence that competition results in lower prices and/or better quality service.
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Old 2010-03-08, 01:40 PM   #2
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Unfortunately, the NB situation is an anomaly. Telco's are still using DSL variants in the vast majority of their footprint and cannot come close to providing competition to cable.

As for bundling, I agree, but I think it goes one step further. In some cases, Rogers is "tying" services together which is generally illegal. i.e. you cannot purchase the highest tier of internet unless you purchase digital TV.
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I'm not sure I understand the argument against bundling...

Do you mean there should be no discount for having multiple services from the same provider?

If so, do you think this would bring down the price of each individual service?
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Old 2010-03-08, 02:43 PM   #4
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Sure is good for in town, but what about the outlying areas?

Competition in outlying areas for supposed high speed Internet is in some cases, non-existent. That competition would have to do with bandwidth allotted a month between the wisp's and the cell towers. Great speeds on cell towers but low caps. And variable caps and speeds on wisp's but heavy throttling by some(but advertising sure looks good for high speed numbers).

Same goes for the rest of Canada. Some areas could easily have DSL turned on(phone lines are almost everywhere), but where is the government in that case with their subsidies(for low population areas) that are supposed to bring people a minimum 1.5Mbps speeds in under served areas.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ic1.nsf/eng/04943.html
If your town gave a government grant to a wireless ISP to set up and they don't give you a sustained minimum 1.5Mbps, Complain.


Government tool to find high speed Internet.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/sitt/bbmap/hm.html?lng=eng

There is that case in Vancouver with Novus offering fiber to the building and then Shaw cable offering people in that building $10 a month Internet and $10 a month TV and $10 a month Phone. What a pile of crap that was.
http://stopthecap.com/2009/07/28/sha...petitor-novus/
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Existing Shaw customers, and those who live outside of Novus’ service area, cannot obtain the special pricing. That is the heart of a complaint lodged by Novus against Shaw at the Competition Bureau of Canada and in the British Columbia Supreme Court, charging Shaw is engaged in predatory pricing designed to put Novus out of business.
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Do you mean there should be no discount for having multiple services from the same provider?
Yep. It's actually illegal in the United States.
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^^^
I'm not sure it would pass serious legal scrutinty in Canada either.
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hugh, I just read a story about Comcast increasing their rates for Internet... They give you a significantly lower bundled price. You're saying this is illegal?
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travisc, it is in some parts of the U.S. I thought it was a federal law but I guess its limited to particular states.
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The main problem with this is that Rogers doesn't understand why their offering isn't appealing in NB. It's not just about the advertised speed.

FibreOp actually gives you the advertised speed. There's no traffic shaping. There's no transfer caps (and especially no caps as stupidly low as most of Rogers' are).

Rogers once called me up and wanted to sell me their Internet plan (we have cable with them). The cap on the plan they were selling was so low that when I bought Dragon Age off Steam, installing it would consume HALF of the monthly limit. And that's one game!

Until they drastically improve the quality of the service in ways other then the theoretical burst transfer speed, Aliant will beat the stuffing out of them.
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Yep. It's actually illegal in the United States.
I watch KTLA, CW11 New York and several other US networks quite frequently and there are loads of commercials for Optimum online bundles (triple play?), Verizon FiOS bundles, AT&T phone/internet bundled with DirecTV, etc. etc.
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